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		<title>By: Michi&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Young Topology: The fundamental groupoid</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-12396</link>
		<dc:creator>Michi&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Young Topology: The fundamental groupoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with my bright topology 9th-graders, we discussed homotopy equivalence of spaces and the fundamental groupoid. In order to get the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with my bright topology 9th-graders, we discussed homotopy equivalence of spaces and the fundamental groupoid. In order to get the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michi</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-10769</link>
		<dc:creator>Michi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin: Don&#8217;t worry. So far, we&#8217;ve been using Jänich almost exclusively, and once we get to the algebraic topology side, I&#8217;m going to want to look for Ronnie Brown anyway, since I want to introduce it along the lines of fundamental groupoids.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-10763</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armstrong&#039;s &quot;Basic Topology&quot; sucks! Please use another book! The explanations in that book are horrible. Armstrong was the first book that I used when I tried to learn topology, and I was really turned off from the subject until I found Hatcher&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armstrong&#8217;s &#8220;Basic Topology&#8221; sucks! Please use another book! The explanations in that book are horrible. Armstrong was the first book that I used when I tried to learn topology, and I was really turned off from the subject until I found Hatcher&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: Michi</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-10155</link>
		<dc:creator>Michi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse: Yeah, that sounds similar to what I&#039;m doing. My students are younger, fewer, but basically equally smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse: Yeah, that sounds similar to what I&#8217;m doing. My students are younger, fewer, but basically equally smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-10149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the University of Chicago we have this program called YSP which brings in gifted (and I mean it) students to learn fancy math.  When I was there we were teaching algebraic topology (through Knot Theory) and the theory of computation to 11th and 12th graders.  And I had only studied algebraic topology the year before at Chicago.

These kids are super-smart.  For example, in the class was the great-grandson of Max Zorn and the son of a Fields Medalist.  Makes me feel like a slacker for not learning this stuff until I was 21 or 22.  Hah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the University of Chicago we have this program called YSP which brings in gifted (and I mean it) students to learn fancy math.  When I was there we were teaching algebraic topology (through Knot Theory) and the theory of computation to 11th and 12th graders.  And I had only studied algebraic topology the year before at Chicago.</p>
<p>These kids are super-smart.  For example, in the class was the great-grandson of Max Zorn and the son of a Fields Medalist.  Makes me feel like a slacker for not learning this stuff until I was 21 or 22.  Hah!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-9183</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck!  They really are specialised school students, I&#039;d never even heard of topology until the final year of my degree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck!  They really are specialised school students, I&#8217;d never even heard of topology until the final year of my degree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan P</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-9109</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I’m going to push for fundamental groupoids</p>
<p>Cool! It does mean that they&#8217;ll have trouble referring to books but I agree it does make more sense. Since realising that the 15 puzzle is more naturally described by a groupoid than a group I&#8217;ve thought that groupoids ought to be introduced at an earlier level.</p>
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		<title>By: Michi</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-9108</link>
		<dc:creator>Michi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are frighteningly good students. They ended up with me because they have already outrun every single teacher at their - mathematically profiled - school. One of them is reading university-level analysis just for the fun of it.

I&#039;m going to push for fundamental groupoids instead of fundamental groups, since I think that if you don&#039;t work from the point where the algebraic terminology is floating around anyway, it might just be a more natural way of looking at things.

And the general topology stuff, I use mainly now in the beginning, in order to gauge their speed, and to set the stage for the homotopy theory I want to bring in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are frighteningly good students. They ended up with me because they have already outrun every single teacher at their &#8211; mathematically profiled &#8211; school. One of them is reading university-level analysis just for the fun of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to push for fundamental groupoids instead of fundamental groups, since I think that if you don&#8217;t work from the point where the algebraic terminology is floating around anyway, it might just be a more natural way of looking at things.</p>
<p>And the general topology stuff, I use mainly now in the beginning, in order to gauge their speed, and to set the stage for the homotopy theory I want to bring in.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan P</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/03/bright-students-and-topology/comment-page-1/#comment-9107</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These must be really bright students. Starting with general topology seems like a tough place to start!

I&#039;d have gone for an approach that assumes intuitions about continuity first, developed a bit of knot theory (say), and then gone back to general topology. Fun concepts like fundamental groups, Reidemeister moves and rational tangles can be introduced without a solid grounding in the notions of continuity, and these can then help to motivate general topology later on.

But if your students can keep up, then throw &#039;em as much finite-complement topology as they can handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These must be really bright students. Starting with general topology seems like a tough place to start!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have gone for an approach that assumes intuitions about continuity first, developed a bit of knot theory (say), and then gone back to general topology. Fun concepts like fundamental groups, Reidemeister moves and rational tangles can be introduced without a solid grounding in the notions of continuity, and these can then help to motivate general topology later on.</p>
<p>But if your students can keep up, then throw &#8216;em as much finite-complement topology as they can handle.</p>
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