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		<title>By: Math Carnivalia: Present, Future and Past &#171; Learning Computation</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-181844</link>
		<dc:creator>Math Carnivalia: Present, Future and Past &#171; Learning Computation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts and &#8220;math research&#8221; (for lack of a better term) posts, for example here, here and here. So as a little experiment, I&#8217;ll be grouping the submissions by these categories. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carnivale! &#171; Secret Blogging Seminar</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-26611</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnivale! &#171; Secret Blogging Seminar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers are circulating this site, I thought it might be a good time to resurrect a slightly old discussion on the place of research in the mathematics carnival. Some people seem to think research is getting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-25265</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Carnival was depressed over the summer, because of the season, not because of the content. None of us got the hits we got in the Spring, I don&#039;t think. 

I look forward to a real pick up as school comes back into session. Alon just started this thing a few months ago... and we&#039;ve survived our first summer. This has been a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Carnival was depressed over the summer, because of the season, not because of the content. None of us got the hits we got in the Spring, I don&#8217;t think. </p>
<p>I look forward to a real pick up as school comes back into session. Alon just started this thing a few months ago&#8230; and we&#8217;ve survived our first summer. This has been a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-25191</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I haven&#039;t heard that in weeks or even months, depending on what counts as thanks. So thank you, Dave.

I&#039;ll put you in if I can&#039;t find someone else soon... thanks for volunteering.

My proposal for submitting posts of my own still stands, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I haven&#8217;t heard that in weeks or even months, depending on what counts as thanks. So thank you, Dave.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put you in if I can&#8217;t find someone else soon&#8230; thanks for volunteering.</p>
<p>My proposal for submitting posts of my own still stands, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival? &#171; The Unapologetic Mathematician</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-25168</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival? &#171; The Unapologetic Mathematician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s been considerable discussion, particularly in this thread on Michi&#8217;s blog about the Carnival of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Marain</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-25161</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Marain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back, Alon! I should have known you were still lurking out there and would not abandon your &#039;child!&#039; 

I&#039;d be happy to host the 16th but it might be preferable to have someone new if anyone is interested. I take it from your comment that you do believe the CoM should remain intact and see what develops. You&#039;re probably tired of hearing it, but we are all indebted to you for getting this off the ground. I do believe the Carnival still has a lot of life. We will be here to help you in any way possible to maintain this momentum.
Dave Marain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back, Alon! I should have known you were still lurking out there and would not abandon your &#8216;child!&#8217; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to host the 16th but it might be preferable to have someone new if anyone is interested. I take it from your comment that you do believe the CoM should remain intact and see what develops. You&#8217;re probably tired of hearing it, but we are all indebted to you for getting this off the ground. I do believe the Carnival still has a lot of life. We will be here to help you in any way possible to maintain this momentum.<br />
Dave Marain</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-25089</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, where do I start?

There are a lot of math bloggers who don&#039;t submit to the carnival. Just casually following links from a few blogs I already know, I&#039;ve found something like 6 reasonably advanced posts, of which about 5 postdate the 14th carnival. Is any of them about the proof of Taniyama-Shimura? No. But they&#039;re not high-school level, and some of them are just above my level of knowledge (again, it doesn&#039;t say much... but I&#039;m definitely past high school math). There are 3-4 more that traditionally produced some high-level stuff but haven&#039;t posted any recently; if any of them does, I&#039;ll be on it faster than I raid free food.

So, John, if you do submit this time, there&#039;s a good chance your post is going to be one of 5 or 6 grad-level ones and 10+ post-freshman-year-of-college ones.

And, as I&#039;ve said from time to time to hosts who got shafted because I took too much time to set them up on BlogCarnival, I can always temporarily come out of retirement. I still have my incomplete series on Galois theory, and now that I know some things about elliptic curves and modular forms, I can begin a new, more advanced series. In fact, I might do that even without being dragooned, if only because it helps me learn this stuff better, and I need to know it like the back of my hands for my orals.

Finally: I have a good feeling someone will volunteer to host the 16th carnival by Wednesday. If no one does, I will. There&#039;s a difference between wanting to get as far away as possible from my ill-fated attempt at being a pundit, and shirking responsibility for things I&#039;ve started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, where do I start?</p>
<p>There are a lot of math bloggers who don&#8217;t submit to the carnival. Just casually following links from a few blogs I already know, I&#8217;ve found something like 6 reasonably advanced posts, of which about 5 postdate the 14th carnival. Is any of them about the proof of Taniyama-Shimura? No. But they&#8217;re not high-school level, and some of them are just above my level of knowledge (again, it doesn&#8217;t say much&#8230; but I&#8217;m definitely past high school math). There are 3-4 more that traditionally produced some high-level stuff but haven&#8217;t posted any recently; if any of them does, I&#8217;ll be on it faster than I raid free food.</p>
<p>So, John, if you do submit this time, there&#8217;s a good chance your post is going to be one of 5 or 6 grad-level ones and 10+ post-freshman-year-of-college ones.</p>
<p>And, as I&#8217;ve said from time to time to hosts who got shafted because I took too much time to set them up on BlogCarnival, I can always temporarily come out of retirement. I still have my incomplete series on Galois theory, and now that I know some things about elliptic curves and modular forms, I can begin a new, more advanced series. In fact, I might do that even without being dragooned, if only because it helps me learn this stuff better, and I need to know it like the back of my hands for my orals.</p>
<p>Finally: I have a good feeling someone will volunteer to host the 16th carnival by Wednesday. If no one does, I will. There&#8217;s a difference between wanting to get as far away as possible from my ill-fated attempt at being a pundit, and shirking responsibility for things I&#8217;ve started.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Marain</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24979</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Marain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jackie, jonathan--
If John A plans on creating a Carnival of Research Math, then we can keep the original name, CoM, and allow it to go in whatever direction it takes. I would be fine with that. Certainly no decision has been made by anyone here. I thought it would make sense to open this up for discussion at this time since we need new leadership for the Carnival. Waiting a few weeks before making any decision makes sense, but who is going to host the next few weeks? That requires a more immediate decision.
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jackie, jonathan&#8211;<br />
If John A plans on creating a Carnival of Research Math, then we can keep the original name, CoM, and allow it to go in whatever direction it takes. I would be fine with that. Certainly no decision has been made by anyone here. I thought it would make sense to open this up for discussion at this time since we need new leadership for the Carnival. Waiting a few weeks before making any decision makes sense, but who is going to host the next few weeks? That requires a more immediate decision.<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Marain</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24905</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Marain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,
You already know I respect your opinions and I won&#039;t debate each of your excellent points. The bottom line for me is that there is a very good reason to have a Carnival of Math Education and a similar good reason for a Carnival of Math Research. I have confidence in John that he can develop the latter and I have more 
than enough confidence in you and some other top math bloggers that we can make the former flourish. As much as I would like to see K-12 bloggers communicating with research mathematicians, the reality is that this rarely occurs.Ideally, we would like these worlds to intersect more often, but the blogosphere may not be the ideal forum for this at this time. I felt that the other Carnivals were successful, but the juxtaposition of the two extremes seemed somewhat unnatural and forced. Others from both spheres may add their thoughts over the next few days and we&#039;ll get a better idea where the consensus is.

Either way, we have a more immediate concern. After Aug 24th, there are no more hosts and someone (or ones) needs to take charge here. I&#039;m willing to do this but decisions need to be made quickly. 

BTW, I was hoping to elicit comments on my blog since I raised the questions there but it&#039;s getting awkward for me to be in 2 places at the same time!
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,<br />
You already know I respect your opinions and I won&#8217;t debate each of your excellent points. The bottom line for me is that there is a very good reason to have a Carnival of Math Education and a similar good reason for a Carnival of Math Research. I have confidence in John that he can develop the latter and I have more<br />
than enough confidence in you and some other top math bloggers that we can make the former flourish. As much as I would like to see K-12 bloggers communicating with research mathematicians, the reality is that this rarely occurs.Ideally, we would like these worlds to intersect more often, but the blogosphere may not be the ideal forum for this at this time. I felt that the other Carnivals were successful, but the juxtaposition of the two extremes seemed somewhat unnatural and forced. Others from both spheres may add their thoughts over the next few days and we&#8217;ll get a better idea where the consensus is.</p>
<p>Either way, we have a more immediate concern. After Aug 24th, there are no more hosts and someone (or ones) needs to take charge here. I&#8217;m willing to do this but decisions need to be made quickly. </p>
<p>BTW, I was hoping to elicit comments on my blog since I raised the questions there but it&#8217;s getting awkward for me to be in 2 places at the same time!<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: John Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24894</link>
		<dc:creator>John Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about my not wanting to read that material, it&#039;s about the fact that fewer and fewer people who want to read &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; stuff go to the Carnival.  It&#039;s just not worth it to make a special Carnival-friendly post.

Look, as it stands the Carnival effectively &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; about the lower-level mathematics.  All I&#039;m calling for is to recognize the de facto state of affairs and move on with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about my not wanting to read that material, it&#8217;s about the fact that fewer and fewer people who want to read <em>my</em> stuff go to the Carnival.  It&#8217;s just not worth it to make a special Carnival-friendly post.</p>
<p>Look, as it stands the Carnival effectively <em>is</em> about the lower-level mathematics.  All I&#8217;m calling for is to recognize the de facto state of affairs and move on with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And obviously, getting good hosts is important.

And then look again at those first few carnivals. Was there enough to sustain it? I think the proof is in the continued existence. Was there enough to sustain 2 carnivals? I don&#039;t know. I don&#039;t think so. And I don&#039;t know why it would be desirable. It make take some work, though, to keep the levels of mathematics better balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And obviously, getting good hosts is important.</p>
<p>And then look again at those first few carnivals. Was there enough to sustain it? I think the proof is in the continued existence. Was there enough to sustain 2 carnivals? I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t think so. And I don&#8217;t know why it would be desirable. It make take some work, though, to keep the levels of mathematics better balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then try a journal. You won&#039;t have to read my sudokus.

Dave, Michi, you might look at the first 8 Carnivals. I hosted the ninth, while school was still in session but college was out. I solicited submissions, because so few came in, and ended up with a big carnival, but weighted towards 6-12 (those are the bloggers I knew). The next few Carnivals have been in the slower months, &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; had non-university hosts. 

This carnival was brand new in January, and immediately produced several modestly successful editions (1-8, and maybe 9) before slowing down for the summer. That&#039;s where we are likely headed back to in September, likely a bit stronger. Look at 1 - 8, do you find them problematic in any way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then try a journal. You won&#8217;t have to read my sudokus.</p>
<p>Dave, Michi, you might look at the first 8 Carnivals. I hosted the ninth, while school was still in session but college was out. I solicited submissions, because so few came in, and ended up with a big carnival, but weighted towards 6-12 (those are the bloggers I knew). The next few Carnivals have been in the slower months, <strong>and</strong> had non-university hosts. </p>
<p>This carnival was brand new in January, and immediately produced several modestly successful editions (1-8, and maybe 9) before slowing down for the summer. That&#8217;s where we are likely headed back to in September, likely a bit stronger. Look at 1 &#8211; 8, do you find them problematic in any way?</p>
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		<title>By: John Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24856</link>
		<dc:creator>John Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, as it stands my position is clear.  I will not be the only advanced writer submitting.  Without a split I will no longer submit my own entries.  Others may do so on my behalf, but I&#039;ve had enough of being the only person writing on something above the level of a sudoku.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, as it stands my position is clear.  I will not be the only advanced writer submitting.  Without a split I will no longer submit my own entries.  Others may do so on my behalf, but I&#8217;ve had enough of being the only person writing on something above the level of a sudoku.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24853</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not so happy with this proposal. As it stands, the carnival is not such a big event - dividing it will leave us with 2, each smaller.

There has been a problem keeping up the number of higher end submissions, but we have the experience of a very small number of carnivals so far.

1. We should ask hosts (or instruct hosts) to make active efforts to go after a variety of submissions;

2. We should hold off on any major changes until the Fall, when blogging has picked back up; and 

3. all of us should recognize that the fringes, the boundaries between research and undergrad, between undergrad and high school, between high school and elementary - we should understand that it is precisely at these boundaries that sometimes the most interesting discussion takes place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not so happy with this proposal. As it stands, the carnival is not such a big event &#8211; dividing it will leave us with 2, each smaller.</p>
<p>There has been a problem keeping up the number of higher end submissions, but we have the experience of a very small number of carnivals so far.</p>
<p>1. We should ask hosts (or instruct hosts) to make active efforts to go after a variety of submissions;</p>
<p>2. We should hold off on any major changes until the Fall, when blogging has picked back up; and </p>
<p>3. all of us should recognize that the fringes, the boundaries between research and undergrad, between undergrad and high school, between high school and elementary &#8211; we should understand that it is precisely at these boundaries that sometimes the most interesting discussion takes place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2007/07/13-on-a-friday/comment-page-1/#comment-24849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reader of the carnival that appreciates both aspects, I was and still am in favor of keeping one joint carnival.  However, as it appears that it has already been decided to split into two carnivals, I can always choose to read two different carnivals!

As for the change to monthly, I am a bit dismayed...but as I&#039;m not blogging/contributing/hosting, I can&#039;t really complain.

I greatly appreciate the efforts of everyone involved in past and future carnivals.  Thank-you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reader of the carnival that appreciates both aspects, I was and still am in favor of keeping one joint carnival.  However, as it appears that it has already been decided to split into two carnivals, I can always choose to read two different carnivals!</p>
<p>As for the change to monthly, I am a bit dismayed&#8230;but as I&#8217;m not blogging/contributing/hosting, I can&#8217;t really complain.</p>
<p>I greatly appreciate the efforts of everyone involved in past and future carnivals.  Thank-you!</p>
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