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	<title>Comments on: On the chromatic number of Lichtenstein</title>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Mathematics 47, where no, well&#8230; &#171; JD2718</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2008/10/on-the-chromatic-number-of-lichtenstein/comment-page-1/#comment-154151</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Mathematics 47, where no, well&#8230; &#171; JD2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the Chromatic Number of Lichtenstein. John Kemeny has photos of mathematicians &#8230; and more of the same &#8230; but is looking for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: D. Eppstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikael.johanssons.org/archive/2008/10/on-the-chromatic-number-of-lichtenstein/comment-page-1/#comment-138425</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Eppstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for this sort of map visualization problem, coloring with a minimal number of colors is not the right thing to do. Because, if you color e.g. Ruggel and Mauren the same color, how can you tell when you look at the map whether they are two different cantons or two disconnected pieces of the same canton?

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.CG/0609033&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arxiv:cs.CG/0609033&lt;/a&gt; I and my co-authors looked at a similar problem of choosing colors to visualize a partition of the plane into regions that might be disconnected. The point of view we ended up taking was that each region should have its own color, that these colors should all be chosen as visually distinct as possible, and that colors of neighboring pairs of cantons should be chosen to have especially strong contrast in order to make the borders stand out. We then modeled this as a problem of embedding the adjacency graph of the map into three-dimensional color space. &lt;a href=&quot;http://11011110.livejournal.com/55809.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a blog post with the resulting visualization&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for this sort of map visualization problem, coloring with a minimal number of colors is not the right thing to do. Because, if you color e.g. Ruggel and Mauren the same color, how can you tell when you look at the map whether they are two different cantons or two disconnected pieces of the same canton?</p>
<p>In <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.CG/0609033" rel="nofollow">arxiv:cs.CG/0609033</a> I and my co-authors looked at a similar problem of choosing colors to visualize a partition of the plane into regions that might be disconnected. The point of view we ended up taking was that each region should have its own color, that these colors should all be chosen as visually distinct as possible, and that colors of neighboring pairs of cantons should be chosen to have especially strong contrast in order to make the borders stand out. We then modeled this as a problem of embedding the adjacency graph of the map into three-dimensional color space. <a href="http://11011110.livejournal.com/55809.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a blog post with the resulting visualization</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome here, Brian.

I hope you got to see the debugged version of it all - Michael and Rahul pointed out quite critical bugs in it.

I used Graphviz on MacOSX to render the graphs - and the algorithm occasionally mirrors the geography, but much of it follows from the spring dynamics engine. I didn&#039;t rearrange anything.

I am aware that the recolored map will be unintelligible - which was part of my point of wanting to draw it that way: show exactly how bad a decision that would have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome here, Brian.</p>
<p>I hope you got to see the debugged version of it all &#8211; Michael and Rahul pointed out quite critical bugs in it.</p>
<p>I used Graphviz on MacOSX to render the graphs &#8211; and the algorithm occasionally mirrors the geography, but much of it follows from the spring dynamics engine. I didn&#8217;t rearrange anything.</p>
<p>I am aware that the recolored map will be unintelligible &#8211; which was part of my point of wanting to draw it that way: show exactly how bad a decision that would have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nicely done. Thank you.

I&#039;m curious what program you used to render the .dot file, and did it produce that output directly, or did you manually rearrange the nodes to approximate the actual geography?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would recolor the Liechtenstein map using this color choice, but I haven’t gotten around to installing a decent picture editing program just yet. That’ll have to wait.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you do so, the result will be quite unintelligible. There will be no adjacent regions that share a color, but there will be no way of guessing which like-colored regions are actually parts of the same commune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely done. Thank you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious what program you used to render the .dot file, and did it produce that output directly, or did you manually rearrange the nodes to approximate the actual geography?</p>
<blockquote><p>I would recolor the Liechtenstein map using this color choice, but I haven’t gotten around to installing a decent picture editing program just yet. That’ll have to wait.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you do so, the result will be quite unintelligible. There will be no adjacent regions that share a color, but there will be no way of guessing which like-colored regions are actually parts of the same commune.</p>
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		<title>By: Michi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: Quite correct. I&#039;ve changed the post to reflect this. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: Quite correct. I&#8217;ve changed the post to reflect this. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To have a 6-clique, you&#039;d need 6 nodes each with at least 5 edges, right?  (That is, each node would have to connect to each of the other nodes in the clique.)  Or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To have a 6-clique, you&#8217;d need 6 nodes each with at least 5 edges, right?  (That is, each node would have to connect to each of the other nodes in the clique.)  Or am I missing something?</p>
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